Discussion Starter • #1 • Jan 12, 2008. have been wondering what if any advantage(s), perceived or otherwise, there are to a 200gr Semi-Wadcutter over a 230gr round nose bullets in .45acp. Why is camoflauge the default color of hunters clothing instead of color of deer fur? That quickly changed to a load with smokeless powder. One of the best 38 caliber lead bullets you could use is the old, 'FBI load': 158 grains of lead in an LSWCHP design. . Now, a semi-wadcutter hollow point loaded to full spec? The round nose design is the oldest design. I have taken deer with hand loaded wadcutters in .357 mag and .44 mag. When I was shooting bowling pins, a popular bullet with revolver shooters was the "lead pencil": a 230-grain .358-diameter full wadcutter… Does having too few deer on your property mean that the deer population is in decline? A round nose with a flat point (RNFP) is intended for lever guns or other guns with a tubular magazine. If thousands of boy scouts walked from the Texas& NM border heading north,cutting every barbed wire fence all the way to Canada? A semi-wadcutter has a flat nose and a shelf that makes it not a wadcutter. I carry 147 grain winchester SXT. Wadcutters are so much fun to shoot in .38 Special, and the accuracy will make you look really good too! The Wadcutter is your Best Choice. A wadcutter, on the other hand, because of the flat front and hard right angle, it does to soft tissue kind of what it does to paper — it punches a sharp hole that’s a lot more disruptive than a round nose. The .45 ACP cartridge in the photo above utilizes a semi-wadcutter design, which is basically a traditional wadcutter that is conically shaped and has a flat tip. Re: 38 Special Factory 158gr Lead Semi-Wadcutter or Lead Round Nose For Distinguished Revolver by Doug Tiedt on 5/11/2017, 9:57 pm jglenn21 wrote: My 14-2 love the Remington target.. even the SWC but it has an 11 degree throat in it so that may have an affect.. And yes, I know hollow point self-defense ammo is the far better choice. In my opinion it really doesn't have too much over penetration of soft tissue but it would blast right through saftey glass and building walls. Looking for a rifle scope with dot reticle ? Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > Jamesmb Member. They all were very accurate as opposed to what I had shot before which were hollow … The flat meplat and square shoulders of the wadcutters were thought to deliver greater shock and create more trauma than the rounded … Photo by D.R. some other advantage I haven't thought of.. anyway this recently came back to my mind and I figured I'd ask. D. Paulson. My SVT-40 rifle is 1943 dated, how likely is it that it witnessed combat on the Eastern Front, being this year of production ? I have used swc in the 158 grain and the flat nose of the bullet exceeded well past the primers center, no problem there either. Semi-Wadcutter Shapes Wadcutter Shapes Button Nose has a slight nose, Target Wadcutter has a depressed ring and is flat across. 121 Posts . And this can change its effectiveness in some calibers like the .38 special but believe me it wont matter at close range with a .357 magnum on a bad guy. Lead Round Nose for better feed reliability. 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Discussion in 'Handguns : Revolvers' started by Jamesmb, Aug 19, 2008. How do you think about the answers? LFN = L-FLAT = Lead Flat Nose = Blei-Flachkopfgeschoss, ohne Mantel LRN = Lead Round Nose = Blei-Rundkopfgeschoss, ohne Mantel LSWC = Lead Semi Wadcutter = Bleigeschoss, ohne Mantel in Semi Wadcutter-Form (s. These rounds offer better ballistic performance (less drag) than wadcutters, still punch nice holes in paper targets, and can be fed by automatic pistols in most cases. So for short range defense work the flat nosed or even the semi wad cutter *may* do more damage than a round rose. Semi-wadcutters are a cross between traditional lead round nose and the full wadcutter. wadcutter, it expands more and faster, meaning it delivers all it's energy to the target faster and the bullet is less likely to fully penetrate through the body, threatening anyone behind your target(this is more for house defense). And would actually be preferred in the home over a full house .357 mag round. Meanwhile, it is well know in 45acp that the H&G #68 200 grain (and similar cast lead bullets in 185 grain) also win championships. "Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades." But of the two, in the home, I would use the wad cutter. Per Elmer Keith, round nose zips right through; no stopping power. They are designed this way to do as much tissue damage as possible and still penetrate deeply. The semi-wadcutter feeds great, no problems there but I was wondering how safe it is. Does anyone else think that high capacity in a concealed carry handgun is just a gimmick to make it more expensive? It’s interesting to note that when American police were carrying lots of .38 Special revolvers loaded with solid projectiles, there was a belief in some circles that the square-shouldered wadcutters and (to a lesser extent) semi-wadcutters did a better job than round nose lead bullets. The long surface of these bullets kept them going straight (to simplify). Even though the wadcutter doesn’t actually expand, it tends to penetrate soft tissue very reliably. Get your answers by asking now. Still have questions? BY now, most have read of the difference the “Hybrid” magazine has made in the feed reliability in the 1911, in spite of some damage done to the feed ramp. The semi-wadcutter will expand better and quicker for sure.... no question. Some autoloaders may benefit from this design. * It is Awesomely Destructive.*. Round nose bullets tend to push aside tissue and flat nosed bullets rip through tissue. Comes to .45acp and you have to deal with magazines and feeding issues. The edge from the bottom cylinder leaves a clean hole in paper, but it won’t be as defined as a full wadcutter. Wadcutters can clearly cut the line of a higher scoring ring and in a sport where matches are won or lost by a single point, this matters. "Come unto Me, all you who labor and are heavy burdened, and I will give you rest." Though full wadcutter bullets are often unreliable in semi-automatic pistols (except for the Smith & Wesson Model 52), semi-wadcutter bullets usually work much better. The semi-jacketed soft point (SJSP) is another hollow point alternative bullet – with an exposed lead soft point that gives very reliable expansion on impact, along with deeper penetration than your average hollow point.. You can usually find the semi-jacketed soft point with a copper jacket of various lengths and thickness to go with a lead core. This comes from years of examining game shot with different 22LR, .357 mag, .44 special, .44 magnum loaded with different types of bullets. economics (price), though this seems kind of a slim thing if any. But if you only had semi-wadcutter (flat nose) or round nose ammo available, which do you go with? Another installment of .32 H&R Mag VS .38 Special in snub nose revolvers and today I have the Federal Lead Semi-Wadcutter ammunition. That big flat nose will hit hard as well. Anecdotal evidence and testimony indicates that the police officers in New York City who were issued semi-wadcutters generally had a more favorable impression of their ammo performance than the officers in Los Angeles who were issued round nose lead bullets. Vote Independent, vote Republican, vote Democratic, just don’t vote Incumbent! A semi wadcutter has a stepped shoulder for cutting nice clean holes in paper. and upwards to protect the naked base, these metal-based soft lead bullets are splendid. Plus the SWC has a structural advantage. It cuts a clean, round bullet hole on paper, easy to score. That would be better than the first two. Four .38 Specials pose for comparison; (l.-r.) jacketed hollow point, lead round nose, lead semi-wadcutter and full wadcutter. Semi-wadcutter nose shapes (standard) from left to right: Target Wadcutter (TWC), Button Nose Wadcutter (BWC), Conical, Keith, Auto-Loader (AL), 3/4-E, 1-E. (Click the picture for a larger image). The solid soft lead bullet is undoubtably the best and most satisfactory expanding bullet that has ever been designed. If you cast your own, the round nose flat point design is easier to cast than a semi wadcutter. The wider the flat the more energy transfer with all else being equal. In general, semi-wadcutters having a partially rounded nose are more accurate than wadcutters having a flat-front profile. … Round nose is range and casual target use, military use according to the 1899 Hague Convention and if you are in New Jersey where hollow points are illegal. Joined: Oct 28, 2007 Messages: 104. If both bullets weigh the same and are going he same velocity, the larger meplat of the SWC does more damage. With the metal base that is essential for velocities of 2000 f.s. The 3/4-jacket covers nearly the entire shank, leaving the nose exposed. The only problem with this wadcutter vs round nose is most wadcutter loads are light on powder charge. Jump to Latest Follow ... Winchester is using their 9mm 124 grain round nose fmj -- same exact fmj you can buy in 100 packs. Corbin, of .452 Bullets. His trouble started with “Nose-Dive” misfeeds with the feed ramp stopping the bullet’s progress to the chamber. Though full wadcutter bullets are often unreliable in semi-automatic pistols, semi-wadcutter bullets usually work much better. Also, the number of grooves increases the problems in casting. I love those 44 COWBOY RIFLES, especially the 24 inch barrels. And this can change its effectiveness in some calibers like the .38 special but believe me it wont matter at close range with a .357 magnum on a bad guy. They take many different forms depending on the manufacturer, but they basically look like a short cylinder with a smaller cylinder sitting on top, which can be angled inward. I have seen a larger wound channel with flat nosed bullets both solid lead and copper jacket than round nose (in game animals). My experience on deer and hogs has been that in soft 8-10 BHN alloy at subsonic revolver velocity in calibers similar to the .44-40 or .45 Colt, for bullets of the same weight and diameter of meplat, it makes absolutely no difference whatever. wadcutter vs. semi-wadcutter. easier to make PF? It invariably mushrooms perfectly, and never breaks up. In contrast, flat-front profile wadcutters tend to have … check out the. Is it possible for animal hunters to hunt animals cage them up and ship them to other countries without killing them? You can sign in to vote the answer. It wont equal the wound channel of a expanded hollow point but its far better than a round nose, If you look at the heavy bear loads for magnum hand guns like Buffalo bore, you see they are hard cast (or swaged) flat nose lead bullets. I have taken deer with hand loaded wadcutters in .357 mag … HP ammo is NOT categorically the, 'best' self-defense pistol ammo you can use. A “wadcutter” is a cylindrical bullet with a flat, square nose. Can you hunt deer. I am new to 1911 pistols, but not new to loading ammo. That lead round-nose bullet load was a bit on the mild side compared to today’s cartridges. Matthew 11:28. Not a cure, but a dramatic difference all the same. semi-wadcutter if both rounds where loaded the same. The only problem with this wadcutter vs round nose is most wadcutter loads are light on powder charge. The Super Police load was a 200-grain round-nose bullet with greater knockdown power due to the bullet’s tendency to keyhole. The tissue resistance against the flat surface of the bullet releases more energy. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. in a semiauto? Get a copy of Veral Smith's little blue book. I'd prefer 124 grain for a 9mm but the 147 is a bit heavier and has excellent penetration. From my .38spl experience, the hollow base wadcutter bullet easily gave excellent accuracy, no doubt about it. [The Montana Gianni] Front sight and squeeze. Hybrid vs Wadcutter 1911 magazine. Round Nose vs Semi Wadcutter -- accuracy. Some people live and learn but I mostly just live, Round nose flat point vs. Semi-wadcutter Question, Moderator Emeritus / Trusted loob groove dealer, Vintage Boxes - Gear, Shell, Case, Primer, Group Buys Design, Active , Waiting and Archives, Closed Buys/Waiting for delivery/in shipment, If this is your first visit, be sure to I had a 19-5 S & W and tried some reloaded wadcutters I had bought from master cast. I am new to 1911 pistols, but not new to loading ammo. The big overlooked advantage with the SWC is if you will look at it from the nose nearly the whole diameter is flat whereas the FN round nose only has that flat on the nose. For decades the .45 ACP performed admirably with nothing more than a FMJ—a round that does not expand at all and is certainly inferior to a good semi-wadcutter. So I would say it depends on what caliber handgun and how hot that wadcutter is loaded. Semi-Wadcutter (SWC) The semi-wadcutter is a variation on the wadcutter. With the .45 Colt for … If you saw someone you know who’s a hunter shoot an animal and then laugh while it is dying, what would you do? Join Yahoo Answers and get 100 points today. Assuming that we are talking about "target loaded" semi-wadcutters that many of the major manufacturers load: I'd take round nose because it is usually loaded much hotter. Kobe's 'Mr. Where a rounded profile will shove vitals aside or glance off bone, the edge of a wadcutter or semi-wadcutter will slice or dig in. ;), (But, then again, I, 'roll my own' ammo; so I'm not stuck with those anemic lead rounds the sport shops sell. Shop for Colorado Bullet Cast Lead Bullets 45 Caliber 0 452 155gr Semi Wadcutter 500 Box Ads Immediately . Free shipping over $20, new in box. In off-the-shelf ammo I'd take the RN lead too.). round nose vs semi wadcutter: preferences - why? Generally speaking, 148 grain hollow or bevel-base wadcutters make an excellent 38 special load. And would actually be preferred in the home over a full house .357 mag round. His claims are that putting grease on a swc's shoulder and shooting into recoverable material show the shoulder of a swc never even hit paper on a target. On the other hand, SWC bullets can maintain high accuracy at ranges exceeding 100 yards. is there a difference in inherent accuracy? If you want to call it a SWC or a WNFP is purely up to you, and if you have some particular meplat design that you want to use as your definition of one vs. the other, that's OK but without a universally accepted definition. This bullet has a cylindrical body with a shoulder, and a flat point on the tip. Due to the price of primers, warning shots will no longer be given! 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